Comments on: Ohio hunters murdered 39,629 deer on the first day of deer hunting season Monday http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/ Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:58:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: 9986mkoh http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-30393 9986mkoh Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:23:42 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-30393 Pat, I'm sorry but you've failed to come up with anything in response to me. I never claimed to do it because population control is my goal. It has more to do with something you don't understand, and maybe aren't meant to fully understand, though I try my best. Can you say that I don't love animals? That I am heartless, barbaric, demented? You sure wouldn't say that if you knew me. And I don;t think anybody could logically say the same about Thoreau or Leopold (among other hunter-naturalists). I have yet to meet someone whose opinion on hunting I haven't influenced. I have no problem with you criticizing and trying to change what happens with hunting as far as slob hunters. But don't stereotype me with them. That's all I ask. There's more to it than killing for sure, in fact I've been just as happy at the end of an unsuccessful hunt as after a successful one. I take pride in what I do, and make sure I only do what is reasonably within my means. I won't bowhunt right now, because I'm not good enough of a marksman with a bow and arrow. Something does need to be done to keep people out of the woods who only shoot a gun when they're shooting at a living animal. I'll agree with you on that. I don't need to prove my sincerety on the subject to anybody...I have not and will not ever make my personal decisions based on what someone else 'thinks.' I have personally struggled and searched within myself about hunting and come to my own conclusions. Just keep in mind that not everybody is the same. Pat, I’m sorry but you’ve failed to come up with anything in response to me. I never claimed to do it because population control is my goal. It has more to do with something you don’t understand, and maybe aren’t meant to fully understand, though I try my best. Can you say that I don’t love animals? That I am heartless, barbaric, demented? You sure wouldn’t say that if you knew me. And I don;t think anybody could logically say the same about Thoreau or Leopold (among other hunter-naturalists). I have yet to meet someone whose opinion on hunting I haven’t influenced. I have no problem with you criticizing and trying to change what happens with hunting as far as slob hunters. But don’t stereotype me with them. That’s all I ask. There’s more to it than killing for sure, in fact I’ve been just as happy at the end of an unsuccessful hunt as after a successful one. I take pride in what I do, and make sure I only do what is reasonably within my means. I won’t bowhunt right now, because I’m not good enough of a marksman with a bow and arrow. Something does need to be done to keep people out of the woods who only shoot a gun when they’re shooting at a living animal. I’ll agree with you on that. I don’t need to prove my sincerety on the subject to anybody…I have not and will not ever make my personal decisions based on what someone else ‘thinks.’ I have personally struggled and searched within myself about hunting and come to my own conclusions. Just keep in mind that not everybody is the same.

]]> By: Brianna Montgomery http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-30306 Brianna Montgomery Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:33:12 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-30306 If there was no hunting season,then there would be an overpopulation of deer. Which would result in more car accidents and there wouldn't be enough food for all of these deer to eat. In which case they would die from starvation,is that really what you want? By hunting we help prevent having a car accident with a deer everyday,which can sometimes kill innocent people. It's not cruel,unless they're poaching or just killing. That's why it's called hunting and not killing. And it's not like we waste the deer just for a trophy,plenty of people that hunt use them for food as well. Hunting helps keep the population down. And hunting is a sport,that's why there are rules you have to abide by. Basically you're being hypocritical for saying that people who hunt are killers because you're no better if you let them starve. If there was no hunting season,then there would be an overpopulation of deer. Which would result in more car accidents and there wouldn’t be enough food for all of these deer to eat. In which case they would die from starvation,is that really what you want? By hunting we help prevent having a car accident with a deer everyday,which can sometimes kill innocent people. It’s not cruel,unless they’re poaching or just killing. That’s why it’s called hunting and not killing. And it’s not like we waste the deer just for a trophy,plenty of people that hunt use them for food as well. Hunting helps keep the population down. And hunting is a sport,that’s why there are rules you have to abide by. Basically you’re being hypocritical for saying that people who hunt are killers because you’re no better if you let them starve.

]]> By: Pat Jennings http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-30284 Pat Jennings Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:14:25 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-30284 Over-population issue? Please consider this: http://www.smmcroberts.net/ethics/animals/bldsprts/part06.html Over-population issue? Please consider this: http://www.smmcroberts.net/ethics/animals/bldsprts/part06.html

]]> By: Weaver http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-28986 Weaver Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:25:59 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-28986 This article is the total opposite of what hunting is really about. The reason you don't understand hunting is because you are too ignorant to understand the real connection of hunting. The overpopulation of deer in Ohio is a danger to our ecosystems and the human population. Of course they don't run into cars on purpose but i rather pick a deer dying over me hitting a deer and having to pay $3,000 to fix my SUV and possibly getting killed. Stop being close-minded about hunting and try to understand it is a part of some people's cultures. This article is the total opposite of what hunting is really about. The reason you don’t understand hunting is because you are too ignorant to understand the real connection of hunting. The overpopulation of deer in Ohio is a danger to our ecosystems and the human population. Of course they don’t run into cars on purpose but i rather pick a deer dying over me hitting a deer and having to pay $3,000 to fix my SUV and possibly getting killed. Stop being close-minded about hunting and try to understand it is a part of some people’s cultures.

]]> By: 9986mkoh http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-28906 9986mkoh Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:16:39 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-28906 Thank you for the post above, it really irritated me reading all the other posts that the authors allowed their emotions to become too involved, and not base them on logic or reason, which are necessary for a valid argument. But here's the thing...nobody hunts because they want to manage the population, that isn;t what drives you to keep doing it. It's something deeper within, the aspect of participating in nature as opposed to just observing. (Obviously it's just because I'm an ignorant, barbaric, heartless asshole.) In participating, it can be understood more fully. There's a reason it's so hard to explain, maybe it's just how an experience of awe and cannot be done justice by attaching human language to it. And I just happened to stumble upon this while doing a research paper on hunting, didn't even notice it was years old. Thanks for the chance to say this, though. I just hope to be able to change some peoples' opinion on hunters (the "good" hunters, so to speak) and hunting (real hunting). Thank you for the post above, it really irritated me reading all the other posts that the authors allowed their emotions to become too involved, and not base them on logic or reason, which are necessary for a valid argument. But here’s the thing…nobody hunts because they want to manage the population, that isn;t what drives you to keep doing it. It’s something deeper within, the aspect of participating in nature as opposed to just observing. (Obviously it’s just because I’m an ignorant, barbaric, heartless asshole.) In participating, it can be understood more fully. There’s a reason it’s so hard to explain, maybe it’s just how an experience of awe and cannot be done justice by attaching human language to it.

And I just happened to stumble upon this while doing a research paper on hunting, didn’t even notice it was years old.

Thanks for the chance to say this, though. I just hope to be able to change some peoples’ opinion on hunters (the “good” hunters, so to speak) and hunting (real hunting).

]]> By: Shane http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-28905 Shane Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:45:13 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-28905 First, for the pro-hunters on here, ridiculing the author and other anti-hunters only helps make their case that hunters are heartless and ignorant. I assure you this is not the case for the majority, but like all populations hunters definitely have their bad apples too, likewise, they're typically the ones the opposition uses against us. Ethical hunting (not murder as you call it) is the BEST means of population control, as it can be controlled, and offers benefits for both the deer population and the public. Did any of your articles mention that in 2010 alone, over 100,000 lbs of venison was donated to food banks across Ohio? Accounting for over 400,000 lean healthy meals for the homeless and others in need? http://ohiodnr.com/home_page/NewsReleases/tabid/18276/EntryId/2050/104-100-Pounds-of-Venison-Donated-During-Hunting-Season-so-far.aspx I am an ethical hunter from a family of hunters. I always eat what I kill, and when I harvest more meat than my family will eat, I give it to friends and family, or donate to food banks. Fees and taxes on hunting and fishing licenses fund the DNR which maintains the parks and reserves that other non hunters enjoy as well. They in turn study the deer (and fish, and all game animals) population to determine a healthy sustainable population based on a number of things, mainly available food, living area, natural predators, etc. please do some research on sustainable population, and population density. animals, as well as humans, have a critical population. A critical population is one that can be maintained in a given environment without adversely impacting the environment or the quality of life of the members of that population. I've seen many problems with white tailed deer in overpopulation areas including malnutrition, wide spread disease (google chronic wasting disease CWD), destruction of property and their own environment, premature deaths due to winter exposure, and excessive numbers of traffic accidents. I've seen entire fields praries farms and woodland wiped out due to excessive population of deer. Deer in these regions are short on food supply so they venture out more in search of food, that coupled with the shear numbers leads to more car/deer accidents. Malnurished animals are weaker and if disease doesn't kill them, exposure in harsh winter often does, as the whole population weakens, their number drop. It may sound counter intuitive, but culling the population (ethical hunting as I call it, or murder as you do) is intended to help sustain a healthy larger population. In my opinion a bullet or an arrow is a much cleaner death than starvation and exposure. Finally for numbers you asked, in the early 1900's whitetail deer population was estimated around 300,000 across the entire US. Due to conservation efforts, intelligent population control, and research by the DNR (funded by sportsmen) the population has frown to an estimated 30 million today. These numbers can be confirmed by numerous sources, and are cited (with references) on Wikipedia as well. Obviously your post has a following, as its still drug attention years later, but I urge you to do some research to the other side of the story to form an educated decision. Obviously your entitled to your opinion, but I think there is a lot more out there that you're ignorant of. First, for the pro-hunters on here, ridiculing the author and other anti-hunters only helps make their case that hunters are heartless and ignorant. I assure you this is not the case for the majority, but like all populations hunters definitely have their bad apples too, likewise, they’re typically the ones the opposition uses against us.

Ethical hunting (not murder as you call it) is the BEST means of population control, as it can be controlled, and offers benefits for both the deer population and the public.

Did any of your articles mention that in 2010 alone, over 100,000 lbs of venison was donated to food banks across Ohio? Accounting for over 400,000 lean healthy meals for the homeless and others in need?
http://ohiodnr.com/home_page/NewsReleases/tabid/18276/EntryId/2050/104-100-Pounds-of-Venison-Donated-During-Hunting-Season-so-far.aspx

I am an ethical hunter from a family of hunters. I always eat what I kill, and when I harvest more meat than my family will eat, I give it to friends and family, or donate to food banks.

Fees and taxes on hunting and fishing licenses fund the DNR which maintains the parks and reserves that other non hunters enjoy as well. They in turn study the deer (and fish, and all game animals) population to determine a healthy sustainable population based on a number of things, mainly available food, living area, natural predators, etc.

please do some research on sustainable population, and population density. animals, as well as humans, have a critical population. A critical population is one that can be maintained in a given environment without adversely impacting the environment or the quality of life of the members of that population. I’ve seen many problems with white tailed deer in overpopulation areas including malnutrition, wide spread disease (google chronic wasting disease CWD), destruction of property and their own environment, premature deaths due to winter exposure, and excessive numbers of traffic accidents. I’ve seen entire fields praries farms and woodland wiped out due to excessive population of deer.

Deer in these regions are short on food supply so they venture out more in search of food, that coupled with the shear numbers leads to more car/deer accidents.

Malnurished animals are weaker and if disease doesn’t kill them, exposure in harsh winter often does, as the whole population weakens, their number drop. It may sound counter intuitive, but culling the population (ethical hunting as I call it, or murder as you do) is intended to help sustain a healthy larger population.

In my opinion a bullet or an arrow is a much cleaner death than starvation and exposure.

Finally for numbers you asked, in the early 1900′s whitetail deer population was estimated around 300,000 across the entire US. Due to conservation efforts, intelligent population control, and research by the DNR (funded by sportsmen) the population has frown to an estimated 30 million today. These numbers can be confirmed by numerous sources, and are cited (with references) on Wikipedia as well.

Obviously your post has a following, as its still drug attention years later, but I urge you to do some research to the other side of the story to form an educated decision. Obviously your entitled to your opinion, but I think there is a lot more out there that you’re ignorant of.

]]> By: 9986mkoh http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-28847 9986mkoh Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:10:18 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-28847 I'm actually working on a paper right now on this exact subject in college, though the best way to explain it is through reading this and the articles/books cited. The Delights and Dilemmas of Hunting: The Hunting vs. Anti Hunting Debate is another good one to read that presents both sides. I hope you can understand the "good" hunter someday and we can work together to protect the same thing we DO both LOVE-nature, animals. http://wrt-intertext.syr.edu/i2/saunders.html I’m actually working on a paper right now on this exact subject in college, though the best way to explain it is through reading this and the articles/books cited. The Delights and Dilemmas of Hunting: The Hunting vs. Anti Hunting Debate is another good one to read that presents both sides. I hope you can understand the “good” hunter someday and we can work together to protect the same thing we DO both LOVE-nature, animals.

http://wrt-intertext.syr.edu/i2/saunders.html

]]> By: Aaron http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-28841 Aaron Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:54:57 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-28841 I just love sitting and ready all the poor sad stories the bunny huggers leave. I just want everyone to know that my hunting groupe contributed to about 15 of the 39,629 on the first day. all bunny huggers need to move into the city and leave us country boys alone. we will take care of our problems out here so we can stay safe with our familys on the road. I just love sitting and ready all the poor sad stories the bunny huggers leave. I just want everyone to know that my hunting groupe contributed to about 15 of the 39,629 on the first day. all bunny huggers need to move into the city and leave us country boys alone. we will take care of our problems out here so we can stay safe with our familys on the road.

]]> By: maddy http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-28492 maddy Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:31:08 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-28492 i loved the website you should do more i loved the website you should do more

]]> By: John Travolta http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-25810 John Travolta Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:35:51 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/2006/11/29/ohio-hunters-murdered-39629-deer-on-the-first-day-of-deer-hunting-season-monday/#comment-25810 Hey you democratic dumb asses have you ever heard of winter kill? Mabe you should think about what would happen if the deer were never cut down some. Its called they would get over populated and starve to death. Oh and by the way my dad is a record hunter in the state of ohio and he still every week in the winter puts food out for the deer. By the way thats not where we hunt either, and its after the season is over. I hate pattsie ass dicks like you guys that dont know anything about what your talking about. And i bet anything that most hunters do 100 times as much to help the deer than any of you ass holes. You all can kiss my ass! Hey you democratic dumb asses have you ever heard of winter kill? Mabe you should think about what would happen if the deer were never cut down some. Its called they would get over populated and starve to death. Oh and by the way my dad is a record hunter in the state of ohio and he still every week in the winter puts food out for the deer. By the way thats not where we hunt either, and its after the season is over. I hate pattsie ass dicks like you guys that dont know anything about what your talking about. And i bet anything that most hunters do 100 times as much to help the deer than any of you ass holes. You all can kiss my ass!

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