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]]> By: German http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13762 German Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:00:01 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13762 Way to whine a lot and not suggest any solutions. Baby. Way to whine a lot and not suggest any solutions. Baby.

]]> By: colvin http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13604 colvin Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:17:59 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13604 this bill was total pork,almost no stimulus at all.again the government and media pull the wool over americas eyes.to begin with im wondering where this economic crisis is?have we become so weak as a people that a naturally occurring slump in the economy has us in such a panic?lets think about this for a moment.how many of us are standing in line for ration tickets?how many of us are living out of our cars?the numbers of people in "crisis"are not that great;or much greater than were in crisis two years ago before our troubles began.the cure for this crisis is simple.people need to tighten their belts and start to rely more on family and friends for support.do you still have a cell phone?cable television?eating more than two-thousand calories a day?if yes you are just fine,quit whining.to those truly in need,where are your family and friends?why beg the government for help?i did some math.my immediate family has six members;mother,father,two sisters,a brother,and myself.as a group we spend close to three thousand dollars a month on housing.my parents and sister each have six bedroom houses;as a famiy we could save two thousand a month or more by all living under one roof.is the world/economy were in such dire straights we would have to.so i say to those in need,are you truly without hope?how have you become so alienated from your friends and family that as a group you cant pool resources and survive this temporary economic slump?are you so addicted to a large living space you cant live with members of your own family?americans have become weak and addicted to affluence.its time to grow up and tough this out.this too shall pass this bill was total pork,almost no stimulus at all.again the government and media pull the wool over americas eyes.to begin with im wondering where this economic crisis is?have we become so weak as a people that a naturally occurring slump in the economy has us in such a panic?lets think about this for a moment.how many of us are standing in line for ration tickets?how many of us are living out of our cars?the numbers of people in “crisis”are not that great;or much greater than were in crisis two years ago before our troubles began.the cure for this crisis is simple.people need to tighten their belts and start to rely more on family and friends for support.do you still have a cell phone?cable television?eating more than two-thousand calories a day?if yes you are just fine,quit whining.to those truly in need,where are your family and friends?why beg the government for help?i did some math.my immediate family has six members;mother,father,two sisters,a brother,and myself.as a group we spend close to three thousand dollars a month on housing.my parents and sister each have six bedroom houses;as a famiy we could save two thousand a month or more by all living under one roof.is the world/economy were in such dire straights we would have to.so i say to those in need,are you truly without hope?how have you become so alienated from your friends and family that as a group you cant pool resources and survive this temporary economic slump?are you so addicted to a large living space you cant live with members of your own family?americans have become weak and addicted to affluence.its time to grow up and tough this out.this too shall pass

]]> By: Brian Flowers http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13603 Brian Flowers Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:30:47 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13603 Oh, I completely agree we need to pull out of Iraq. There was no reason to be there in the first place. But personally, I think we should just put the money to better use. Double education spending. Triple energy spending. Double science spending. And add 50% to our health budget. Or maybe a bit less...balancing the budget would be nice. And if you think your rights are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and there's nothing more you need to do, you are very, very mistaken. The Bill of Rights on it's own does nothing. The only thing that can prevent our rights from being taken away is _us_. And we haven't been doing a very good job lately. If our Bill of Rights guaranteed anything, we wouldn't have Guantanamo. We wouldn't have the NSA wiretaps. We wouldn't have people (government officials even) get arrested for publicly reading _the Declaration of Independence_ (that last one happened years ago, but the point remains). You can't expect the government to just give you your rights because they're supposed to. You have to _take_ your rights. Oh, I completely agree we need to pull out of Iraq. There was no reason to be there in the first place. But personally, I think we should just put the money to better use. Double education spending. Triple energy spending. Double science spending. And add 50% to our health budget. Or maybe a bit less…balancing the budget would be nice.

And if you think your rights are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and there’s nothing more you need to do, you are very, very mistaken. The Bill of Rights on it’s own does nothing. The only thing that can prevent our rights from being taken away is _us_. And we haven’t been doing a very good job lately. If our Bill of Rights guaranteed anything, we wouldn’t have Guantanamo. We wouldn’t have the NSA wiretaps. We wouldn’t have people (government officials even) get arrested for publicly reading _the Declaration of Independence_ (that last one happened years ago, but the point remains). You can’t expect the government to just give you your rights because they’re supposed to. You have to _take_ your rights.

]]> By: Peace Chicken http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13602 Peace Chicken Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:43:53 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13602 "...the Constitution isn’t much of anything."?! Well then you may as well give up your citizenship and move out of the country. This country is nothing without it. Your rights are non-existent, you have no Bill of Rights without the Constitution. There is no President, there is no Congress, there is no We The People, there is nothing. I have plenty of ideas on what should have been done, but more importantly so do the 200+ economists that have spoken out against this bill (see Cato.org). What would I do? I'd start with STOP BUILDING OUR EMPIRE OVERSEAS. Get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, quit killing people over THERE so people could live HERE -- voila, there's our money. Obama should follow Congressman Paul's plan to cut spending back to 2001 levels (it's obviously possible, we just did it 8 years ago) and repeal the Federal Income Tax for EVERY American. With all that extra money to spend each week, our economy would take off. No 1,600 page bill needed, no new gov't. agencies needed, it would have a DIRECT and IMMEDIATE effect on the people. “…the Constitution isn’t much of anything.”?!

Well then you may as well give up your citizenship and move out of the country. This country is nothing without it. Your rights are non-existent, you have no Bill of Rights without the Constitution. There is no President, there is no Congress, there is no We The People, there is nothing.

I have plenty of ideas on what should have been done, but more importantly so do the 200+ economists that have spoken out against this bill (see Cato.org). What would I do? I’d start with STOP BUILDING OUR EMPIRE OVERSEAS. Get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, quit killing people over THERE so people could live HERE — voila, there’s our money.

Obama should follow Congressman Paul’s plan to cut spending back to 2001 levels (it’s obviously possible, we just did it 8 years ago) and repeal the Federal Income Tax for EVERY American. With all that extra money to spend each week, our economy would take off. No 1,600 page bill needed, no new gov’t. agencies needed, it would have a DIRECT and IMMEDIATE effect on the people.

]]> By: Brian Flowers http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13578 Brian Flowers Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:40:35 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13578 I've read the Constitution several times. And the Bill of Rights, the federalist papers, the anti-federalist papers, etc. I know what it says. And it's vague for a very, very good reason - if it wasn't, it wouldn't still be around. The government is a fluid thing, it needs the power to react to current situations. And hell, the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution, but nobody seems to have been remembering much about that little document lately...But then, as I said, the government is fluid. It has to be. And if we don't like what it's doing, we need to do something about it. We can't rely on some 250 year old piece of paper to save us. Because they sure as hell aren't going to care what it says. That much should be obvious to anyone who pays attention. But yes, the general welfare clause is in there specifically so they have the freedom to do what they deem necessary, without people bitching that it's unconstitutional. If you wanna say it's a bad idea, fine, but it's not unconstitutional. When it comes down to it, the Constitution isn't much of anything. And no, I think there are plenty of better ways to spend the money. But then, I'm not an economist. But then again, there are plenty of economists who will tell you that they can't really be sure of anything either, they can essentially just make educated guesses. As for the New Deal...off the top of my head, I'm sure as _hell_ glad that the Wagner Act went through. And the PWA and similar projects, while they may not have been the best way to go about things, certainly benefited our nation. Yes, not every project was a success. And yes, it didn't quite provide the economic boost planned. But it did a hell of a lot to build up our nation's infrastructure. I think we need something like that today. Build some nuclear power plants, run some fiber cables, upgrade the power grid...get some better mass transit maybe. Besides, what do you think he should have done? Let people starve in the streets? I'm not a huge fan of a government that takes my money than tells me I'm on my own when I need help. I’ve read the Constitution several times. And the Bill of Rights, the federalist papers, the anti-federalist papers, etc. I know what it says. And it’s vague for a very, very good reason – if it wasn’t, it wouldn’t still be around. The government is a fluid thing, it needs the power to react to current situations. And hell, the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution, but nobody seems to have been remembering much about that little document lately…But then, as I said, the government is fluid. It has to be. And if we don’t like what it’s doing, we need to do something about it. We can’t rely on some 250 year old piece of paper to save us. Because they sure as hell aren’t going to care what it says. That much should be obvious to anyone who pays attention. But yes, the general welfare clause is in there specifically so they have the freedom to do what they deem necessary, without people bitching that it’s unconstitutional. If you wanna say it’s a bad idea, fine, but it’s not unconstitutional. When it comes down to it, the Constitution isn’t much of anything.

And no, I think there are plenty of better ways to spend the money. But then, I’m not an economist. But then again, there are plenty of economists who will tell you that they can’t really be sure of anything either, they can essentially just make educated guesses.

As for the New Deal…off the top of my head, I’m sure as _hell_ glad that the Wagner Act went through. And the PWA and similar projects, while they may not have been the best way to go about things, certainly benefited our nation. Yes, not every project was a success. And yes, it didn’t quite provide the economic boost planned. But it did a hell of a lot to build up our nation’s infrastructure. I think we need something like that today. Build some nuclear power plants, run some fiber cables, upgrade the power grid…get some better mass transit maybe. Besides, what do you think he should have done? Let people starve in the streets? I’m not a huge fan of a government that takes my money than tells me I’m on my own when I need help.

]]> By: Peace Chicken http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13577 Peace Chicken Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:19:00 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13577 I hope to god I turn out to be Chicken Little, for the sake of this country. But I really don't see how that is possible, unless the Senate shoots this down next week (HA!) Come back in 3 months and tell me how prosperous we've become, how strong the dollar is, how many mortgages have been rescued, and how high the Dow has gone, and I'll admit I was wrong. I hope to god I turn out to be Chicken Little, for the sake of this country. But I really don’t see how that is possible, unless the Senate shoots this down next week (HA!) Come back in 3 months and tell me how prosperous we’ve become, how strong the dollar is, how many mortgages have been rescued, and how high the Dow has gone, and I’ll admit I was wrong.

]]> By: Peace Chicken http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13576 Peace Chicken Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:16:02 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13576 The Constitution is a vague document? Nobody knows what brings the economy up and down? Are you serious?? I don't even know where to begin. The General Welfare clause is not justification for endless spending in the name of "well-being" -- the Founding Fathers NEVER wanted any of this. They would be ashamed of what Congress and the Presidency has become. You think nobody knows how to spend the money better, so it's okay to blow it all this way? And you're just fine with that situation? You really don't care about your country or your tax money do you? Mind sending me a few thousand dollars since it doesn't mean anything to you anyway? Please read the bill. Tell me SPECIFICALLY how expanding all these bloated gov't. programs is going to create jobs. New Deal programs still being alive today is frightening. That statement alone is proof that the provisions made in this bill are not going to be one-time things, they're going to be built into future budgets, meaning MORE spending, more dependency. Please, please just read the freakin' bill. And the Constitution while you're at it. The Constitution is a vague document? Nobody knows what brings the economy up and down? Are you serious?? I don’t even know where to begin.

The General Welfare clause is not justification for endless spending in the name of “well-being” — the Founding Fathers NEVER wanted any of this. They would be ashamed of what Congress and the Presidency has become.

You think nobody knows how to spend the money better, so it’s okay to blow it all this way? And you’re just fine with that situation? You really don’t care about your country or your tax money do you? Mind sending me a few thousand dollars since it doesn’t mean anything to you anyway?

Please read the bill. Tell me SPECIFICALLY how expanding all these bloated gov’t. programs is going to create jobs.

New Deal programs still being alive today is frightening. That statement alone is proof that the provisions made in this bill are not going to be one-time things, they’re going to be built into future budgets, meaning MORE spending, more dependency.

Please, please just read the freakin’ bill. And the Constitution while you’re at it.

]]> By: Bill Bonney http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13551 Bill Bonney Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:13:32 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13551 It is coming true as we speak, Connie Contrary. It is coming true as we speak, Connie Contrary.

]]> By: Brian Flowers http://www.peacechicken.com/2009/01/29/obamas-first-big-failure-spending-us-into-oblivion/comment-page-1/#comment-13549 Brian Flowers Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:23:27 +0000 http://www.peacechicken.com/?p=1055#comment-13549 "Find where in the Constitution it says the federal government is allowed to use tax-payer money for these things." The constitution is a very, _very_ vague document. It essentially says congress can do anything they want, so long as it is not expressly prohibited. Article I, Section 8: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; " So tell me this: How are all these things not providing for the general welfare of the United States? As for creating jobs - Yes, this money could probably be spent better. But nobody really knows that. Nobody knows what brings the economy up and what sends it down. The best thing we can do is try to help people _now_, because we have no idea what will make the future better. And that's what he's doing. And that's what the New Deal did. Besides, there were a lot of programs from the New Deal that are still alive today. It wasn't all just creating jobs for people. But hell, even those, the work they did is still there. We're still benefiting from it. I'd call that a good thing. “Find where in the Constitution it says the federal government is allowed to use tax-payer money for these things.”

The constitution is a very, _very_ vague document. It essentially says congress can do anything they want, so long as it is not expressly prohibited. Article I, Section 8:
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; ”

So tell me this: How are all these things not providing for the general welfare of the United States?

As for creating jobs – Yes, this money could probably be spent better. But nobody really knows that. Nobody knows what brings the economy up and what sends it down. The best thing we can do is try to help people _now_, because we have no idea what will make the future better. And that’s what he’s doing. And that’s what the New Deal did. Besides, there were a lot of programs from the New Deal that are still alive today. It wasn’t all just creating jobs for people. But hell, even those, the work they did is still there. We’re still benefiting from it. I’d call that a good thing.

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